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Joining us now to plead this and other stories from a Week in Politics is E.J. Dionne of The Washington Post and Brookings Institution. Hey there, E.J.
E J DIONNE, BYLINE: Good to be with you.
CORNISH: And David Brooks, columnist with The New York Times. Welcome back, David.
DAVID BROOKS: Thank you.
CORNISH: All right. We’re going to speak about a energy of difference this week. And here is Donald Trump fortifying himself opposite critique that a president’s speak is unreasonable or antagonistic or any of a difference we listened in Scott’s piece.
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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, we know, my critics are usually observant that since it’s me. If somebody else spoken a accurate same difference that we uttered, they’d say, what a good statement, what a smashing statement.
CORNISH: David Brooks, we feel like people who during a discuss were constantly lifting a doubt of Donald Trump’s difference and a chief threat, we mean, this was like a large kind of Clinton discuss articulate point. So now that we’re here, how are we feeling as you’re conference this language?
BROOKS: Yeah. It’s not usually personal, President Trump. One of a reasons nobody’s reacted this approach is since no boss has ever pronounced anything like this in regards to North Korea. The North Korean regime, generally in public, is intensely unstable. And they’re screaming – they roar crazy things like they’re going to spin Seoul into a lake of fire. And any other boss – of both parties – before has motionless if someone intensely inconstant is screaming crazy things during you, we don’t roar crazy things behind during them since it usually raises a atmosphere. What we do is we tend to omit it.
The second end any other administration has had is that even yet they are crazy and uncertain on a surface, they do tend to respond to normal self-interest down below. And anticipation substantially works. And so that has been a ruling truth of any other administration and seems to be in this one with a difference of Donald Trump, who thinks they are fundamentally a Cuban barb crisis.
CORNISH: But E.J., a boss has finished some tactful gains – right? – with a sanctions out of a U.N. People are articulate about these back-channel negotiations. And he’s assembly with Tillerson and Nikki Haley in a entrance day – so progress?
DIONNE: Well, I’d like to wish there’s progress. we consider a many harmful critique on what Trump has been observant does not come from his critics though from Secretary Mattis. In a shave we usually heard, Mattis was fundamentally saying, don’t listen to what this male – definition a boss – is saying. We’re doing tact out there. And we consider a denunciation he’s regulating – sealed and loaded, glow and ire – sounds some-more like a Clint Eastwood or Gary Cooper film than reality.
The best invulnerability of Trump is that he’s posterior Richard Nixon’s insane male theory, make a other side behind down since they consider you’ll do something crazy. But we don’t consider that’s a unequivocally scold or advantageous thing to do in traffic with North Korea. I’d like to wish that a diplomats will continue to work. And a U.N. opinion is something we should all be happy about. And if Trump had not pronounced all these things, we competence all usually be means to chair that.
CORNISH: Now, members of Congress are behind in their home districts. They’re carrying to answer questions about their opening so distant this year. And a Senate infancy leader, Mitch McConnell, who has taken some hits from a president, shielded Congress opposite a critique that they hadn’t achieved unequivocally much.
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MITCH MCCONNELL: Our new boss has, of course, not been in this line of work before and we consider had extreme expectations about how fast things occur in a approved process.
CORNISH: So after 7 years of conference dissolution and replace, were a president’s expectations excessive? Who wants to burst in on this?
BROOKS: we theory I’ll go.
DIONNE: Well, we consider – go ahead, David.
BROOKS: Well, we know, they were excessive. The Republicans should have had – there are dual problems here. The initial is that Republicans unequivocally don’t have a awake reinstate strategy. The second is that Donald Trump was totally unhelpful. And a third – to supplement another – is that aggressive your possess infancy personality is suicidal politics. You know, this is a group sport.
And to me, a engaging thing is what does McConnell do in response? He apparently doesn’t wish to get in a Twitter quarrel with Donald Trump. But he needs to do something to urge himself, to urge his celebration and to urge a Republican Party and a Republican Congress. we try extortion. we consider that’s a usually thing that works with Trump. Whatever Putin has on Trump, McConnell should try to get.
CORNISH: OK, E.J., David suggesting a felony. You?
DIONNE: I’m opposite felonies if during all possible.
CORNISH: (Laughter) OK.
DIONNE: Trump holding shortcoming for any disaster is something he’s constitutionally unqualified of, so it’s always someone else’s fault. We’re accustomed to him observant that all is Obama’s error or Hillary Clinton’s fault. And with this failure, he wants to censure it on Mitch McConnell. But as David says, this is a unequivocally dangerous game. Lord knows I’m ideally happy to see Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump quarrel any other. But all this is doing is pulling a Republican Congress that would like to pierce divided from Trump in many ways.
I consider there are a lot of members there who would like to go divided for a minute. It creates it most easier for them. The Republicans’ problem on health caring is they were never peaceful to spend a income that it took to yield all a coverage that Obamacare provided. And they were going to run into difficulty on this with or though Donald Trump or Mitch McConnell.
CORNISH: One final suspicion that came out of Silicon Valley, and this is a discuss over a viral memo from a Google operative who argued, among other things, that Google had a left disposition that combined a politically scold mono enlightenment that abashed dissenters into silence. Also finished some comments about group and women and biological differences. David, we remonstrate that a chairman who should have been dismissed is Google’s CEO. How come?
BROOKS: Well, we know, all of this starts with a prolonged discuss we’ve been carrying for decades about evolutionary psychology and a differences between group and women. And there’s this immeasurable physique of investigate out there on this subject. And it shows, first, mostly, there are no genuine poignant differences between group and women on abilities, on a ability to do math, on IQ – flattering most a same. There are some teenager differences between populations, mostly in levels of interest, not in levels of ability. And – though these are all about populations. You can’t tell anything about a person, about an particular from any of these studies. Who should work during Google? Who should not work during Google? Who’s good during tech? And James Damore…
CORNISH: But usually to stop we there, like, if we contend something bad about your…
DIONNE: That sounds like a critique of James Damore.
BROOKS: No, that’s accurately what James Damore…
CORNISH: This is a name of a engineer.
BROOKS: And this is accurately what James Damore wrote in his memo. And now a whole array of evolutionary psychologists have come out – we quoted a integrate in my mainstay currently – observant that he was a flattering accurate outline of a physique of research. And so someone during a systematic association should not be dismissed for arrange of accurately summarizing a science. Now, we know since – go ahead, E.J.
DIONNE: Oh, go ahead, David.
BROOKS: we know since some of a people who are there, who are – generally some of a women who are in a antagonistic work sourroundings being silenced in meetings are dissapoint since they’re vital in one reality, that is a existence that we live out any day as individuals. And they’re positively right. But James Damore, his – a investigate he epitomised is articulate about populations. And he, too, is right. And Pichai should have finished a most improved pursuit of, A, not banishment him and, B, explaining a differences.
CORNISH: E.J., final word to you.
DIONNE: Where we remonstrate is we don’t consider a investigate is anywhere nearby as good as David is suggesting it is. And some of what he pronounced were pristine stereotypes. Women generally have a stronger seductiveness in people, rather than things relations to men. And we suspicion Anna Wiener in The New Yorker unequivocally had it right that this memo was a kind of pound in a face for copiousness of tech workers and executives – for copiousness of women who are used to tech workers and executives deliberation employing women as obscure a bar. we mean, there was something usually terribly wrong with this memo. I’m a pro-labor guy. we don’t like people removing fired, though we consider this memo had a lot of problems in it.
CORNISH: That’s E.J. Dionne of The Washington Post. Thank you, E.J.
DIONNE: Good to be with you.
CORNISH: And David Brooks, columnist with The New York Times. Have a good weekend.
BROOKS: You, too.
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